Available is a vintage 1940s antique black leather flap side purse. It has significant wear as shown. It measures about 8" x 6" x 6" with a 6" strap drop. The flaps have a spring shut.
| creed present | no |
| serial or style number present | no |
| coach wordmark present | no |
| turnlock present | no |
| hangtag present | no |
| creed text | not_visible |
| serial or style number | not_visible |
| hardware description | photo 1-4: small metal strap attachment fittings are visible; no identifiable Coach-marked or classic Coach turnlock hardware is visible. |
| leather description | photo 1-4: black leather or leather-like exterior with a glossy finish, substantial wear, scuffing, edge wear, and surface deterioration. |
| lining description | photo 5-6: dark fabric lining is visible; the lining is worn, frayed, and separating in places. |
| strap construction | photo 1-3: narrow rounded leather shoulder strap, visibly worn and creased, attached at the sides with small metal fittings. |
| stitching description | photo 1-6: visible perimeter stitching is generally present but worn; several interior seams and edges show fraying, separation, or exposed backing. |
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"is_handbag_probability": 0.985,
"coach_probability": 0.05,
"vintage_probability": 0.76,
"authenticity_confidence": 0.045,
"image_quality_score": 0.735,
"seller_misidentification_probability": 0.075,
"confidence": 0.78,
"recommended_max_bid": 8,
"estimated_resale_low": 5,
"estimated_resale_high": 25,
"possible_models": [],
"positive_evidence": [
"photo 1: leather flap handbag with a vintage-style compact silhouette and stitched leather strap.",
"photo 2: visible leather construction and small metal strap attachment hardware.",
"photo 1: small black leather handbag form, the population where misidentified Coach could hide"
],
"negative_evidence": [
"photo 1: no visible COACH wordmark, carriage, hangtag, or recognizable Coach turnlock.",
"photo 1: flap closure appears to use a spring\/shaped closure rather than a Coach-style turnlock.",
"photo 4: interior is fabric-lined; this does not match the typical unlined construction of many classic glove-tanned Coach bags.",
"photo 5: interior shows a generic fabric lining and no visible creed patch or serial tag.",
"photo 6: construction appears worn and repaired\/deteriorated, with exposed backing and frayed lining rather than identifiable Coach construction.",
"photo 3: strap and body construction are generic and do not provide a Coach model match.",
"photo 1-4: no Coach turnlock, no hangtag, no wordmark or horse-and-carriage visible",
"photo 4-6: fabric-lined boxy interior with no leather creed patch visible, unlike unlined glove-tanned vintage Coach classics",
"photo 1-3: small rigid box \/ flap-side silhouette with twin rolled top handles and spring sides, no match in Coach catalog styles",
"photo 2-3: thin worn handles and small rivet anchors, not solid-brass dogleash \/ turnlock \/ buckle hardware of vintage Coach"
],
"missing_information": [
"photo 5-6: no clear straight-on photograph of every interior wall or seam where a creed or fabric tag might be located.",
"photo 1-4: closure hardware close-up is insufficient to identify the mechanism or maker.",
"photo 1-4: zipper, buckle, and any hardware stamps are not shown.",
"photo 1-4: bottom and all corners are not fully documented.",
"seller-stated 1940s date is not supported by a visible label or provenance.",
"photo of any interior leather patch \/ brand stamp or fabric label, not shown",
"photo of hardware stamps \/ zipper brand, not shown",
"bottom and close-up corner \/ edge condition views"
],
"authenticity_concerns": [
"No Coach identifier is visible in the supplied photos, so the bag is more consistent with an unbranded vintage leather purse than a Coach piece.",
"The seller's 1940s attribution cannot be verified from the construction or photos; it should not be used as evidence of Coach origin.",
"The fabric-lined, glossy black construction and spring-style flap closure do not closely match the classic Coach glove-tanned, brass-turnlock patterns in the reference catalog."
],
"possible_model_reasoning": [
"No catalog Coach model is a close enough match from the visible silhouette and closure to list a candidate.",
"The compact flap-sided shape could be a generic mid-century or later vintage purse, but silhouette alone is not brand evidence.",
"Condition: Fair\/rehab; substantial strap and edge wear, interior lining separation and exposed backing are visible in photos 2, 5, and 6; odor, mold, and functional closure condition are unknown.",
"No Coach model fits: boxy spring-flap side purse with twin handles matches 1940s-1950s generic box bag, not City Bag, Willis, Court, Station, Dinky or Cashin-era shapes",
"Era reasoning: construction, fabric lining and silhouette are pre-Coach-creed in age but show no Cashin cues, no cartouche, no creed, no glove-tanned suede back",
"Condition: Fair \/ Rehab \/ Parts; heavy handle wear and cracking (photo 2), edge wear (photo 1,3), interior seam separation (photo 6)"
],
"estimated_era": "modern (2000s+), non-Coach",
"observed_features": {
"creed_present": false,
"serial_or_style_number_present": false,
"coach_wordmark_present": false,
"turnlock_present": false,
"hangtag_present": false,
"creed_text": "not_visible",
"serial_or_style_number": "not_visible",
"hardware_description": "photo 1-4: small metal strap attachment fittings are visible; no identifiable Coach-marked or classic Coach turnlock hardware is visible.",
"leather_description": "photo 1-4: black leather or leather-like exterior with a glossy finish, substantial wear, scuffing, edge wear, and surface deterioration.",
"lining_description": "photo 5-6: dark fabric lining is visible; the lining is worn, frayed, and separating in places.",
"strap_construction": "photo 1-3: narrow rounded leather shoulder strap, visibly worn and creased, attached at the sides with small metal fittings.",
"stitching_description": "photo 1-6: visible perimeter stitching is generally present but worn; several interior seams and edges show fraying, separation, or exposed backing."
},
"ensemble_agreement": "HIGH",
"ensemble_variance": 0.0023,
"ensemble_members": [
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"result": {
"is_handbag_probability": 0.99,
"coach_probability": 0.08,
"vintage_probability": 0.72,
"authenticity_confidence": 0.07,
"image_quality_score": 0.82,
"seller_misidentification_probability": 0.12,
"estimated_era": "modern (2000s+), non-Coach",
"possible_models": [],
"positive_evidence": [
"photo 1: leather flap handbag with a vintage-style compact silhouette and stitched leather strap.",
"photo 2: visible leather construction and small metal strap attachment hardware."
],
"negative_evidence": [
"photo 1: no visible COACH wordmark, carriage, hangtag, or recognizable Coach turnlock.",
"photo 1: flap closure appears to use a spring\/shaped closure rather than a Coach-style turnlock.",
"photo 4: interior is fabric-lined; this does not match the typical unlined construction of many classic glove-tanned Coach bags.",
"photo 5: interior shows a generic fabric lining and no visible creed patch or serial tag.",
"photo 6: construction appears worn and repaired\/deteriorated, with exposed backing and frayed lining rather than identifiable Coach construction.",
"photo 3: strap and body construction are generic and do not provide a Coach model match."
],
"missing_information": [
"photo 5-6: no clear straight-on photograph of every interior wall or seam where a creed or fabric tag might be located.",
"photo 1-4: closure hardware close-up is insufficient to identify the mechanism or maker.",
"photo 1-4: zipper, buckle, and any hardware stamps are not shown.",
"photo 1-4: bottom and all corners are not fully documented.",
"seller-stated 1940s date is not supported by a visible label or provenance."
],
"authenticity_concerns": [
"No Coach identifier is visible in the supplied photos, so the bag is more consistent with an unbranded vintage leather purse than a Coach piece.",
"The seller's 1940s attribution cannot be verified from the construction or photos; it should not be used as evidence of Coach origin.",
"The fabric-lined, glossy black construction and spring-style flap closure do not closely match the classic Coach glove-tanned, brass-turnlock patterns in the reference catalog."
],
"observed_features": {
"creed_present": false,
"creed_text": "not_visible",
"serial_or_style_number_present": false,
"serial_or_style_number": "not_visible",
"coach_wordmark_present": false,
"turnlock_present": false,
"hangtag_present": false,
"hardware_description": "photo 1-4: small metal strap attachment fittings are visible; no identifiable Coach-marked or classic Coach turnlock hardware is visible.",
"leather_description": "photo 1-4: black leather or leather-like exterior with a glossy finish, substantial wear, scuffing, edge wear, and surface deterioration.",
"lining_description": "photo 5-6: dark fabric lining is visible; the lining is worn, frayed, and separating in places.",
"strap_construction": "photo 1-3: narrow rounded leather shoulder strap, visibly worn and creased, attached at the sides with small metal fittings.",
"stitching_description": "photo 1-6: visible perimeter stitching is generally present but worn; several interior seams and edges show fraying, separation, or exposed backing."
},
"possible_model_reasoning": [
"No catalog Coach model is a close enough match from the visible silhouette and closure to list a candidate.",
"The compact flap-sided shape could be a generic mid-century or later vintage purse, but silhouette alone is not brand evidence.",
"Condition: Fair\/rehab; substantial strap and edge wear, interior lining separation and exposed backing are visible in photos 2, 5, and 6; odor, mold, and functional closure condition are unknown."
],
"confidence": 0.84,
"recommended_max_bid": 8,
"estimated_resale_low": 5,
"estimated_resale_high": 30
}
},
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"model_name": "meta:muse-spark-1.3-contributor",
"result": {
"authenticity_concerns": [],
"authenticity_confidence": 0.02,
"coach_probability": 0.02,
"confidence": 0.72,
"estimated_era": "unknown",
"estimated_resale_high": 20,
"estimated_resale_low": 5,
"image_quality_score": 0.65,
"is_handbag_probability": 0.98,
"missing_information": [
"photo of any interior leather patch \/ brand stamp or fabric label, not shown",
"photo of hardware stamps \/ zipper brand, not shown",
"bottom and close-up corner \/ edge condition views"
],
"negative_evidence": [
"photo 1-4: no Coach turnlock, no hangtag, no wordmark or horse-and-carriage visible",
"photo 4-6: fabric-lined boxy interior with no leather creed patch visible, unlike unlined glove-tanned vintage Coach classics",
"photo 1-3: small rigid box \/ flap-side silhouette with twin rolled top handles and spring sides, no match in Coach catalog styles",
"photo 2-3: thin worn handles and small rivet anchors, not solid-brass dogleash \/ turnlock \/ buckle hardware of vintage Coach"
],
"observed_features": {
"coach_wordmark_present": false,
"creed_present": false,
"creed_text": "not_visible",
"hangtag_present": false,
"hardware_description": "small brass-tone rivets at handle anchors (photo 3); no turnlock, no dogleash clips, no zipper pull visible",
"leather_description": "black smooth \/ coated leather, heavily worn with scuffing, cracking and finish loss on handles and edges (photo 1-3)",
"lining_description": "dark woven fabric lining in body and under flap (photo 4-5)",
"serial_or_style_number": "not_visible",
"serial_or_style_number_present": false,
"stitching_description": "light contrast topstitching on flap perimeter (photo 1); interior seams fraying \/ separating (photo 6)",
"strap_construction": "twin short rolled top handles, fixed with rivets, ~6 inch drop per seller; no detachable crossbody strap",
"turnlock_present": false
},
"positive_evidence": [
"photo 1: small black leather handbag form, the population where misidentified Coach could hide"
],
"possible_model_reasoning": [
"No Coach model fits: boxy spring-flap side purse with twin handles matches 1940s-1950s generic box bag, not City Bag, Willis, Court, Station, Dinky or Cashin-era shapes",
"Era reasoning: construction, fabric lining and silhouette are pre-Coach-creed in age but show no Cashin cues, no cartouche, no creed, no glove-tanned suede back",
"Condition: Fair \/ Rehab \/ Parts; heavy handle wear and cracking (photo 2), edge wear (photo 1,3), interior seam separation (photo 6)"
],
"possible_models": [],
"recommended_max_bid": 8,
"seller_misidentification_probability": 0.03,
"vintage_probability": 0.8
}
}
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This is a model-generated estimate, not an observed market/sold price. Treat it as a rough guide only.
Nearest-perceptual-hash comparison against a small curated library of known vintage Coach models (data/coach-reference/) -- a coarse mechanical signal, not authentication.
No reference matches yet.